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Iranian AK's

The Assault rifle type KL-7.62 mm is a gas-operated rifle and capable both of semi-automatic and automatic fire and intended for destroying hostile individual and group also can be in close combat by bayonet and butt stock has become the weapon of all army forces especially suited for the partisan war fares in every weather conditions.The rifle is supplied in various types such as
fixed butt stock (KLS), under folding butt stock (KLF) & side folding butt stock (KLT). Also it should be mentioned that the rifle has a multi-purpose bayonet.


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Depending on how deeply you get into variations ,it is a copy of the the Chinese type 56 with copies of the East German MPiK pistol grip and stock. It is not known if they received Chinese machine tools/dies to make these or if they reverse engineered them. They had received a large number of EG MPiK's , North Korean Type 68's, and Chinese T-56's before and during the Iran/Iraq war. There was a thread a ways back that went into some detail, at least as much as we have been able to scrape together, but I could not find it.
recon said:
side folding butt stock (KLT)
Got any pix of this? Is it a copy of the Chinese side-folder?

cmutka said:
It is not known if they received Chinese machine tools/dies to make these or if they reverse engineered them.
So it could be a copy of a copy of the original? I love that kinda stuff, it's hilarious. They do that with Chinese missiles and vehicles, too.
Is is posible that it is a 56-2 type of stock, but no one has come up with any pictures as of yet.
I've got some photos somewhere showing the production of these in an Iranian factory. From the photos, it looks like they've got Chinese parts (underfolder struts, buttframe, etc.) and work on them a little, then assemble them onto rifles.
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Found this.

KL-7.62

The Iranian state arms conglomerate Defense Industries Organization (DIO) currently manufactures a 7.62x39mm Kalashnikov-type assault rifle for the Iranian armed forces, which is designated KL-7.62[4]. The KL-7.62 is an unlicensed, reverse-engineered copy of the Chinese Type 56 rifles which Iran purchased from the Chinese government in enormous numbers to equip its forces in the Iran–Iraq War. The original version of the KL-7.62 was indistinguishable from the Type 56, but in recent years, DIO appears to have made some improvements to the Type 56 design, adding a plastic stock and hand guards (rather than wood) and a ribbed receiver cover (featured on most AKM variants, but missing from the Type 56).
Doesn't look like one of their upgrades were a threaded barrel. :smile:
Chinese export rifles I've handled didn't have any threads on the barrel at all.

mojo100 said:
Doesn't look like one of their upgrades were a threaded barrel. :smile:
Some of the Chinese "export" rifles don't but it seems like a great many do.
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CumbiaDude said:
recon said:
side folding butt stock (KLT)
Got any pix of this? Is it a copy of the Chinese side-folder?
Yes, the Iranians have made a copy of the Chinese Type-56-2 sidefolder. I can't say for sure if that's the one with the designation 'KLT' though, but I'm assuming it is.

I had a picture I snagged off some news website a while ago, showing an Iranian minister of some kind holding one of these sidefolders, and the picture's caption read something like 'Iranian minister [name] posing with an Iranian-made copy of the AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle'. If my memory serves me, the article from which I took the picture was about the growing Iranian armaments industry. Sadly, I lost the picture and the link to the article when my computer crashed a while ago. :sad:


-Dan-
Speaking of Iranian AKs; here's an interesting picture showing a female Iranian militia unit of some sorts, armed with what might be those ultra-rare full-auto Iranian or Chinese double underfolders:




Another pic from Iran; perhaps this is one of the KLT rifles? Could of course be Chinese too, but the color of the furniture strikes me as maybe a bit too dark, compared to the usual Chinese Phenolic. It has the typical non-ribbed Chinese receiver cover though [contrary to the ribbed AKM type in the Diomil pictures], as well as a non-threaded muzzle :






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Here's another *interesting* Iranian concept; an AKM with a 'Nader' underbarrel 'mini-RPG' rocket launcher. Can't help but wonder if they considered the back blast this thing would generate;




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I noticed that one was being discussed on another forum a while back. It's an interesting concept but one that really never practically worked out with many other militaries.
MPIKMS-72 said:
Here's another *interesting* Iranian concept; an AKM with a 'Nader' underbarrel 'mini-RPG' rocket launcher. Can't help but wonder if they considered the back blast this thing would generate
While there would be backblast, it wouldn't be like similar Western weapons, so it might not be too bad... might be possible to direct it away enough to avoid injury.

RPG-7s use a small powder charge to pop the warhead out the tube, and only after 11 meters does the rocket motor ignite.

You guys may have known this already, but I decided to add it anyway for everybody else's learning :mrgreen:
I wonder if it is similar to the Polish Komar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-76_Komar
CumbiaDude said:
MPIKMS-72 said:
Here's another *interesting* Iranian concept; an AKM with a 'Nader' underbarrel 'mini-RPG' rocket launcher. Can't help but wonder if they considered the back blast this thing would generate
While there would be backblast, it wouldn't be like similar Western weapons, so it might not be too bad... might be possible to direct it away enough to avoid injury.

RPG-7s use a small powder charge to pop the warhead out the tube, and only after 11 meters does the rocket motor ignite.

You guys may have known this already, but I decided to add it anyway for everybody else's learning :mrgreen:
Thank you for pointing that out, that was news to me. :)

Off topic, I remember a guy that used to live right next to me that came from Iran. He had been a conscript during the Iran-Iraq war. He told about this one time when they were going to shoot down an Iraqi helicopter with an RPG-7. The RPG guy yelled 'clear behind', and everybody moved to the side. However, the helicopter moved with such speed as it passed them, that the RPG guy had to swing the launcher to get a chance to hit. Of course, when he swinged the launcher, one of the other guys in the platoon came in the way of the back blast as he pulled the trigger. Not a good thing.

The same guy also told me how the Iraqis would have little fire dicipline with their Kalashnikovs, shooting long bursts without really hitting anything, while they [the Iranians] had way better fire dicipline and greater number of confirmed hits with their G3s. According to him, the only Iraqi gunners that caused a degree of concern among the Iranians were the snipers, usually armed with Dragunovs.



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Budoka34 said:
I wonder if it is similar to the Polish Komar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-76_Komar
That might very well be. Very interesting, thank you for posting that, I had never heard of that type before. Polish stuff ain't exactly my speciality. :)



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